Oct 21, 2015 10:22AM

Kim Gordon And Bret Easton Ellis Talk Grimes, The Spice Girls & Caitlin Jenner


Goddess of 90s music/life Kim Gordon made an appearance on The Bret Easton Ellis Podcast the other day and, as one would assume when two intellectual minds meet, they traversed a lot of topical ground.

Brett 'Po-Mo' Ellis led by throwing shade at Grimes for saying she made 'Go' to be purchased and asking Gordon if Sonic Youth ever had the same commercial ambitions:

"We didn't really have expectations about being hugely commercial... And I think everyone else did after Nirvana broke. People would say oh don't you think your record is going to be as big and we'd be like, 'No are you crazy? What's your logic?'"

Ellis also took aim at Lana Del Ray, who he believes wouldn't be nearly as popular as she is had Gordon not infamously criticised her in her book (righto mate). Then the convo naturally segued into Spice Girls territory and, moreover the sexualisation of pop stars in general, with Gordon saying:

"Well I remember I was actually disturbed by the Spice Girls because they took the word girl power and it was used in the most ridiculous way. And Coco was two or three or something, so she hadn't been exposed to the Spice Girls... I mean some of its fun but then its like, really the music I cant listen to." 

Ellis then questioned whether our PC-ness towards figures like Caitlin Jenner has turned us all into "clockwork oranges enthralled to these kind of standards that have been blanketed over us", to which Gordon smrtly responded:

"I don't know I think definitely private and public has gotten flipped around. Just celebrities tweeting, making personal statements to like millions of people on Twitter and Instagramming nude pictures; the whole notion that you're always kind of on stage potentially. So what do you do with what's really private? Well, you obviously don't do that. But, you know, it's weird because at the same time you don't really see that humanity and culture's evolving the same way technology evolves. And now we have these niceties and considering the complexities of every person and are careful what to say, but then like you have the United States and Russia both bombing different sides of people in Syria. It just seems like there is a certain thing, things have evolved only in this kind of nice societal way in the culture maybe but people are still killing in wars and fighting over religion and territory."

You can listen to the podcast in its entirety here

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Madeleine Woon